Hey, why is it so complicated?
Couldnt Jesus simply say "two generations will not pas before the end will come"????
Albert
from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
Hey, why is it so complicated?
Couldnt Jesus simply say "two generations will not pas before the end will come"????
Albert
recently i asked my wife: if our son one day comes home and says "well, i just joined new religion, we study a publication there, that iam not allowed to show anybody..." how would you feel?
does it sound like a cult?.
wife admitted: that would be scarry..... me: so why do jw have secret wt edition to study, that noone else is supposed to get?.
5th - is it really available online???
Where is it?
Albert
so as not to hijack other threads, i still can't understand why people keep referring to the new, "members only" watchtower as "secret?".
if you go to the meeting, you will get a copy.
if you have a family member, you can get a copy.
Rub, you are right, Secret is not ideal word, thats why I put it in quotation marks.
BTW, based on your reasoning, there is nothing secret in the world, you always can join the group, that has exclusive acces to such secret information....
Flock book is not secret, becouse you can become an elder and get it...
KGB materials are no secret, becouse you can join KGB and get access to it...
Who killed JFK is not a secret, beause you can...
But when it comes to religion, it is very unusual and suspicious to hide basic belifs from public. Its not about , church policies or finances.... I would understand that, its basic beliefs! They are not publicly avilable, just for those who are in.... thats absolutely weird....
Albert
Albert
so as not to hijack other threads, i still can't understand why people keep referring to the new, "members only" watchtower as "secret?".
if you go to the meeting, you will get a copy.
if you have a family member, you can get a copy.
Rub, you are right, that the word "secret" is not completely true. This publication is free to get in the KH for study.
But,
Can a JW unbelieving husband (who does not go to the meeting) get one?
Can person aproached in a FS get one?
Can JWs friend, neighbour, workmate ask for one just to see?
Can any Bible-scholar get one just to check JW beliefs?
Official policy as presented in KH - NO WAY!
If I am not allowed to obtain some information, i consider the information as a secret. (I am sure you have some proper word for it in english....) But I dont want to argue over words.
Albert
i've been thinking alot about all the threads here regarding the bethel lay-offs.
i'd imagine that those laid off will have to rely on their families or social safety nets to help them out.. my man is a successful fader, but his family are all super-jw's.
parents pioneering in a foreign land, youngest pioneering where the need is great, oldest sibling is on the fast track to being a co. my man went to university and is in the upper-wage earning tax bracket.
In my country (in eastern Europe) it is generally understood and accepted, that the "work" is being suported by the rich brothers in America.... So is that right????
Albert
recently i asked my wife: if our son one day comes home and says "well, i just joined new religion, we study a publication there, that iam not allowed to show anybody..." how would you feel?
does it sound like a cult?.
wife admitted: that would be scarry..... me: so why do jw have secret wt edition to study, that noone else is supposed to get?.
Recently I asked my wife: If our son one day comes home and says "Well, I just joined new religion, we study a publication there, that Iam not allowed to show anybody..." How would you feel? Does it sound like a cult?
Wife admitted: That would be scarry....
Me: So why do JW have secret WT edition to study, that noone else is supposed to get?
Wife: Because its so deep, people wouldnt understand it....
Me: Well, maybe some wouldnt understand it, but many scholars would like to study it without visiting meetings... Why you cannot give it to them?
Wife: I dont actually know....
MY IDEA: Ask your JW same question. If you are offered WT on the street, reject the public issue and ask for the "secret" study edition. Grill them to explain you, why they are not allowed to give it to you.... Do they hide something? Do they think you are to stupid to understand their wisdom?
Albert
these people just love instiling guilt on these poor souls.. .
at a recent circuit assembly a circuit overseer gave an awesome talk during the portion, 'giving attention to the needs of the circuit.
and with such a high pricetag, please don't let it be empty.
Funny logic:
Opera, university expensive - seats full
KH for free - seats empty
He meant: you damned bastrds are so unthankful......
But reality is:
People really want to se opera, study university - so they are willing to pay big money for it
Nobody wants to listen the BS in the KH even for free - so the seats are empty.
That simple for me....
simple Albert
matthew 6:1: "take good care not to practice your righteousness in front of men in order to be observed by them; otherwise you will have no reward with your father who is in the heavens.".
"now we'd like to call to the platform brother so-and-so, a [let's face it, capital letters should be used] regular pioneer and elder in the blah-blah-blah congregation.
brother so-and-so, what helped you to put kingdom interests first?".
What a fine example for us dear friends!
Let us all ask for extra days off tomorrow at work! This way we will be able to increase our apostate activity and to increase the number of our posts per day!
Thank you sd-7 for such fine encouragement!
encouraged Albert
i almost missed this in my last post, but i just realized how important and must list it.
paragraph 14 from jan 15, 2010 wt last article entitled "jehovah's way of ruling vindicated".
"a few anointed members of "the israel of god" still remain, and as jesus' brothers, they continue to act as "ambassadors substituting for christ (2 cor 5:20) they have been appointed as a faithful and discreet slave class to care for and provide spiritual food for annointed ones and a growing crowd of christians, who now include millions having the hope of living on earth forever.
Does it say directly, that only GB is FDS?
Albert
my wife was raised in an ultra hardcore jw family, and together with me served faithfully for many years to hojovah..... now, due to my apostate influence educational efforts she:.
went to a jw meeting only maybe 5 times in past year (just for the public talk)was not present at service meeting for almost 2 yearsmissed most conventionsdoesnt object our son going to birthday partiesdoesnt object christmass decorations in our housepacks christmass gifts in christmass wrapping paperread crisis of consciene and basicly agrees with the bookagrees, that most jw policies are unbiblical and falsewas not in house to house service for several yearsand so and so.... actually i do not find on her and her behaviour anything what makes normally a person a jw... but she still believes she is one!.
its kind a schizophrenia for her, she doesnt know what her position is.... .
Thanks for your comments Nelly, Nugget,
Designer - welcome on the board! Intresting you have similar situation...! When you talk of kids - the funny things is my wife is in fact not a real witness anymore, but she would like to get our kids to become JW!!! But as you say it will never happen...
Albert